Obama lied to Congress

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STUDY SAYS OBAMACARE WILL COVER NON-CITIZENS AND COST $31B

 “Based on our analysis of Census Bureau data, we estimate that there are 6.6 million uninsured illegal immigrants in the United States who could be covered by the new health care reform bill (HR 3200). Even though HR 3200 states that illegal immigrants are not eligible for the proposed taxpayer-funded affordable premium credits, there is nothing in the bill to enforce this. An amendment was defeated in committee that would have required the use of the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) program, used by almost all other means-tested programs of this kind.”

President’s credibility crisis

“Mr. Obama is falling in the polls because last year he didn’t tell the American people that the ‘change’ they were asked to believe in included trillions of dollars in new spending, deferring to the most liberal Members of Congress, a government takeover of health care, and appointees with the views of  VAN JONES  (link to radical remarks).”                                     

[WSJ editorial 9.8.09]

Even Air America is critical of the President

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OBAMA LIED TO CONGRESS

By Nancy Matthis  |  Thursday, September 10th, 2009 at 2:13 am

During his speech last night, Obama flatly stated that illegal aliens would not be insured under his health care bill. From the floor, South Carolina Representative Joe Wilson called out, “Lie.”

Obama: “There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false. The reforms… the reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.”

Wilson: “You lie.”

Obama: “It’s not true…”

VIDEO HERE

At best, Obama was using a semantic ploy to mislead the audience. Illegal aliens will not all be in possession of a piece of paper titled Health Insurance Policy. But they will be assured of receiving care any time they need it at the taxpayers’ expense. If they go to any emergency room they will receive care — it’s the law.

And many will also get care under the provisions of the current health reform legislation, in direct contradiction to what Obama claimed. This is not just the opinion of a group opposed to the legislation. It is the finding of the Congressional Research Service (CRS). From the CRS report Treatment of Noncitizens in H.R. 3200 (PDF), August 25, 2009, under the heading Exchange:

H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens — whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently — participating in the Exchange.

So, as per this government report only two weeks old, whether intentionally or unintentionally, tonight Obama stood before Congress and lied to the members. Rep. Joe Wilson has read the bill. Barack Obama has not read the bill, and is relying on his handlers to tell him what to say.

Politicians on both sides of the aisle called upon Wilson to apologize, which he did. Many, including John McCain, seemed to think that Wilson was rude for calling out from the audience. Personally, I believe that Obama was rude for lying to Congress and to the American citizens who were watching and listening. And Obama was arrogant and disdainful for assuming that we are stupid enough to believe his lie.

ActBlue immediately created a fund-raising page for Joe Wilson’s 2010 Democratic challenger Rob Miller titled No More Name Calling. So far they have raised a grand total of $100 from three supporters. And Wikipedia had to disable editing of their article on Joe Wilson due to vandalism.

Which is more important — the veneer of manners or the gut of honesty? Have any of these pantywaists ever watched a session of the British parliament?

In any event, the future probably will favor Wilson. We understand that he has aspirations for higher office, and the governorship in his state may soon be vacant. In this timely moment, he has just become a national ideological hero. He gave voice to the frustrated silent majority, and they are ecstatic:

The shout heard round the world!!
The new battle cry of all TRUE AMERICANS: YOU LIE!!!!!
Joe has just been launched into superstardom.
I want to bear his rebel children!!!
I’m definitely adding him to my list of Great Americans!

Before the Obama speech, Joe Wilson had 2,800 followers on Twitter. Within an hour after his shout, he had more than 4,200 followers. 

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Note Obama calling opponents liars on the topic of death panels just prior to Wilson’s remark:

VIDEO HERE

ALSO!

PALIN WSJ EDITORIAL ON DEATH PANELS

Note also Karl Rove’s reaction, that the President’s speech was bitterly partisan and divisive:

Karl Rove: Obama Speech ‘Bitter and Partisan’

Healthcare and Illegal Aliens?  Activism information here

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11 Responses to Obama lied to Congress

  1. Justin says:

    Hi, i’m no legal scholar but it seems the text of HR 3200 does specially deny coverage to illegal aliens: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text?version=ih&nid=t0:ih:965

    And if anyone is using a “ploy” it is you. You say:

    “[Illegal aliens] will be assured of receiving care any time they need it at the taxpayers’ expense. If they go to any emergency room they will receive care — it’s the law.”

    It is not only the law, it is part of the hypocrite oath that all doctors must take to practice medicine. This is not something new that this bill introduces. Are you suggesting that human beings in america who are in need of immediate care, be denied such care and left to die if they do not have proper documentation of their citizenship.

    Say you were out exercising and have no identification. You get hit by a car and rushed to the emergency room. Now there is no way for anyone to know who you are or if you are in this country legally. Do you want the doctors to hold off care until it is properly documented that you are a citizen?

    It was a classless move for a congressman to call the president a liar, plain and simple. And it sums up this past summer’s town hall debates where misinformation has been vindicated by passion, and disrespect elevated as a virtue.

    also here is another actBlue that has raised over $55,000 for Wilson’s opponent: http://www.actblue.com/page/kossacks4miller

    also someone posted a link to this page from a huffington post story, incase you were wondering how i got here.

  2. Justin,

    The link you provided to argue HR 3200 prohibits coverage to illegal aliens has some kind of problem. In any event you conveniently sidestep Nancy’s point, preferring to focus on emergency rooms. I’d urge you to re-read her post and consider the CRS report. Otherwise, given the President’s stated support for blanket amnesty, it is obvious he plans adding 12-20 million illegal immigrants to this new healthcare entitlement.

    As to town halls, Rep. Wilson, decorum and passion, average Americans are turning out in force because they are outraged this president is behaving like a monarch, spending us into oblivion while he serves up $100/lb. steaks at White House gatherings.

    American revolutionaries in the 1770s were not bashful about making their views known. BTW the Left has been quite vocal in classless ways for decades. Don’t go there. It’s a losing proposition.

    • Justin says:

      ” SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
      Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”

      That is what i was trying to link. Nancy made a point about emergency rooms so i countered it. But i have re-read her post and considered the CRS report.

      What the report says is that there is nothing that would stop illegal aliens from participating in the insurance exchange, b/c there is no requirement that insurance providers verify citizenship. But this would mean the illegal aliens would have to pay for insurance just like everyone else. Further, the section of HR 3200 i quote above specifically prohibits the government compensating any illegal immigrants the individual cost of health insurance.

      I do not know of any law today that would stop an illegal alien from buying private insurance, so there is really no change that this bill offers in that regard.

      Please cite any quotes you have from Obama that indicate that he support “blanket amnesty”, and how those make it “obvious” the he plans to add illegal aliens to healthcare entitlement.

      Also what is an “average American” you say that as if anyone who supports reform is not an “average American” Every citizen in this country is an American, lets stop the divisiveness caused by using phrases like average or true americans.

      And what recent president has not held expensive dinners at the white house. I don’t remember Bush being much of a pauper president. I’m trying to maintain my civility here, but you can’t seriously make a comparison between the democratically elected president of the United States and that of “monarch”.

      And then to take it further and compare the spewing of misinformation and hatred about health care, to that of the fight for this countries independence. You can not be serious. Obama is nothing like the King of England in 1770. He was elected, by the people of this country.

      You are right, the left has been vocal and sometimes classless in its opposition. But there have always been equally as bad actions on the other side. But I do not recall any previous president being called a liar by a member of congress during a speech to a joint session.

      Nancy and others are elevating this man to some sort of hero, when he his nothing but disrespectful coward yelling liar in a crowded room. I doubt he’d do the same to the president’s face.

  3. BTW:

    Let’s Be Honest About Death Counseling
    Charles Krauthammer
    Friday, August 21, 2009
    WASHINGTON — Let’s see if we can have a reasoned discussion about end-of-life counseling.
    We might start by asking Sarah Palin to leave the room. I’ve got nothing against her. She’s a remarkable political talent. But there are no “death panels” in the Democratic health care bills, and to say that there are is to debase the debate.
    We also have to tell the defenders of the notorious Section 1233 of H.R. 3200 that it is not quite as benign as they pretend. To offer government reimbursement to any doctor who gives end-of-life counseling — whether or not the patient asked for it — is to create an incentive for such a chat.
    What do you think such a chat would be like? Do you think the doctor will go on and on about the fantastic new million-dollar high-tech gizmo that can prolong the patient’s otherwise hopeless condition for another six months? Or do you think he’s going to talk about — as the bill specifically spells out — hospice care and palliative care and other ways of letting go of life?
    No, say the defenders. It’s just that we want the doctors to talk to you about putting in place a living will and other such instruments. Really? Then consider the actual efficacy of a living will. When you are old, infirm and lying in the ICU with pseudomonas pneumonia and deciding whether to (a) go through the long antibiotic treatment or (b) allow what used to be called “the old man’s friend” to take you away, the doctor will ask you at that time what you want for yourself — no matter what piece of paper you signed five years ago.
    You are told constantly how very important it is to write your living will years in advance. But the relevant question is what you desire at the end — when facing death — not what you felt sometime in the past when you were hale and hearty and sitting in your lawyer’s office barely able to contemplate a life of pain and diminishment.
    Well, as pain and diminishment enter your life as you age, your calculations change and your tolerance for suffering increases. In the ICU, you might have a new way of looking at things.
    My own living will, which I have always considered more a literary than legal document, basically says: “I’ve had some good innings, thank you. If I have anything so much as a hangnail, pull the plug.” I’ve never taken it terribly seriously because unless I’m comatose or demented, they’re going to ask me at the time whether or not I want to be resuscitated if I go into cardiac arrest. The paper I signed years ago will mean nothing.
    And if I’m totally out of it, my family will decide, with little or no reference to my living will. Why? I’ll give you an example. When my father was dying, my mother and brother and I had to decide how much treatment to pursue. What was a better way to ascertain my father’s wishes: What he checked off on a form one fine summer’s day years before being stricken; or what we, who had known him intimately for decades, thought he would want? The answer is obvious.
    Except for the demented orphan, the living will is quite beside the point. The one time it really is essential is if you think your fractious family will be only too happy to hasten your demise to get your money. That’s what the law is good at — protecting you from murder and theft. But that is a far cry from assuring a peaceful and willed death, which is what most people imagine living wills are about.
    So why get Medicare to pay the doctor to do the counseling? Because we know that if this white-coated authority whose chosen vocation is curing and healing is the one opening your mind to hospice and palliative care, we’ve nudged you ever so slightly toward letting go.
    It’s not an outrage. It’s surely not a death panel. But it is subtle pressure applied by society through your doctor. And when you include it in a health care reform whose major objective is to bend the cost curve downward, you have to be a fool or a knave to deny that it’s intended to gently point you in a certain direction, toward the corner of the sick room where stands a ghostly figure, scythe in hand, offering release.

  4. Justin says:

    i appreciate the debate but i do need to get to work, you know like a “real” american. 😉

    Human nature is hypocritical, so i will concede that yes sometimes i can be a hypocrite. But Wilson called Obama a liar when he was not lying, and i find that doing so during his speech was disrespectful and, in a way, cowardly. That was a statement of opinion not fact.

    I honestly do not have the time right now to read about how Obama is like King George, I thought he was like Hitler, I get confused. And honestly i think you diminish any validity to you arguments on current american public policy when such comparisons are made.

    But a quick point as i did skim one, saying the constitution doesn’t allow the government to reform health care is like saying it didn’t allow for the freeing of slaves, or the right for women to vote. The constitution was not meant to be a static document. But i would assume we disagree on that point.

    You are right, the exchange would not prohibit illegal aliens from paying for the public option or a private one. But the public option would be just like a private insurer only non-profit and run by the government. These reforms, like Obama said, do not apply to those who are here illegally. That is not a lie.

    Further, this country was founded by immigrants, and it is unfair to demonize those today. I agree that some are here illegally, but can we really afford to deport them? Immigration reform should focus on companies that employ illegal immigrants. but we’re mixing issues.

    Yes, i did not witness the 60’s. But wasn’t it the left who in the 60’s pushed for civil rights, while the right pushed against it?

    But i did witness the last 8 years. And yea the left has been bad but how can you say that the right has not been just as bad. Case in point:

    and i’m sure you can find similar videos of people at war protests in 2003.

    But its disheartening to you hear dismiss people like myself, by saying i’m elitist or radical leftist. When i’m probably very similar to you, i have a job, i pay taxes, don’t have kids but would one day like to. Liberalism, in my opinion, and coincidentally, is about doing the greatest good for the greatest number. Like providing health care to everyone. Or guaranteeing that seniors are taking care of after retirement, or that everyone is treated equally regardless of race, or ensuring fair working conditions, or any of the of numerous advances that have been pushed by liberals while being heeded by conservatives.

    This is not to say that conservatism does not have its place in american politics, i think there is a lot of good that can come from true conservative ideas, and there should always be a balance.

    But with one statement you touched on what has gone wrong with conservatism and the republican party. “Preserving traditional values” When i hear this, i assume that you find progressives and liberals to be morally reprehensible, dirty sinners, who have no values. I know thats not what you said, but thats what i hear. But you can have you traditional values, in your family. but those private beliefs should not become public policy (i.e. gay marriage, abortion, etc)

    I guess thats all for now, sorry if this is fragmented, i wrote it in pieces while working. I do appreciate the discussion.

    • I confess I appreciate the conversation too. You are sharp, articulate and thoughtful. Look, I’ll admit something too: I did not like hearing Rep. Wilson calling the President a liar. I understand his frustration. But I don’t think that kind of thing forwards anyone’s cause. We have enough rancor working through the society without adding more.

      Correction: as to traditional values I do not mean liberals are sinners. I had more in mind the ideas formulated by the Framers: small central government, republic, rule of law, strong national defense, economic freedom, states’ rights, liberty, liberty, liberty. I do not believe you can sustain liberty and at the same time allow the federal government to become the monster it is. Obama, and modern liberalism, are all about enormous, all-powerful federalism, and that is antithetical to the Founders’ vision, and contrary to their traditional values.

      Clarification: did not mean to dismiss you. And did not talk about ‘real’ Americans. Rather, I spoke about average Americans. In other words, take all the people and subtract the super rich, Hollywood celebrities, most politicians, various elitists and power brokers, and you have, in my estimation, average Americans. They are the backbone of the country, and they are the ones who have enough common sense to know you cannot allow the federal government to invade every aspect of life and still maintain individual rights and liberty for all.

      As to the proper role of government, I think we are seeing a certain conservative adjustment once again. Tenth Amendment people are attacking the idea that Article 1 Sec. 8 allows for almost any activity at the federal level. I really urge people to read the Federalist Papers if they want a sense of what the Framers had in mind, a mindset that is pure conservativism.

      Far and away, the majority of people are objecting to out of control spending, massive debt, financial irresponsibility on an enormous scale, and the concentration of power in D.C. All of it spells disaster for this republic. All freedom-loving ‘average’ Americans are more than alarmed at current trends which appear to be a dagger at the heart of the Constitution. BTW, I’ll wager you will enjoy this video:

      https://allanerickson.wordpress.com/2009/07/22/what-is-americanism/

    • BTW: the youtube clips, produced by ObamaTrons, making the glaring mistake of taking a few inflamatory sound bites and trying to export that to stereotype all McCain supporters. Typical propaganda technique, ala Michael Moore. Don’t you find it curious the filmmakers point to fear and anger and hate in the target group, using fear and anger and hate to produce fear and anger and hate, all to get political leverage.

  5. http://www.cis.org/IllegalsAndHealthCareHR3200
    INDEPENDENT STUDY

    ”Based on our analysis of Census Bureau data, we estimate that there are 6.6 million uninsured illegal immigrants in the United States who could be covered by the new health care reform bill (HR 3200). Even though HR 3200 states that illegal immigrants are not eligible for the proposed taxpayer-funded affordable premium credits, there is nothing in the bill to enforce this. An amendment was defeated in committee that would have required the use of the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) program, used by almost all other means-tested programs of this kind.”

    Any accident they killed SAVE to verify? 6.6 million swings a lot of elections.

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